Global warming.

"Carbon dioxide in earth's atmosphere is considered a trace gas currently occurring at an average concentration of about 383 parts per million by volume

This means that for every 1,000,000 molecules of air you will only have 383 molecules of CO2 or 0.0383% per volume. You can believe what you want but I don't see how 383 CO2 molecules per million air molecules makes a difference. It is only because we live in the age that we do that we can even measure such a small amount.

I care more about our O3 (Ozone) levels.

Yea, I believe this to be another myth. Please explain how O3 (Ozone) is found as a layer in the upper atmosphere when it is heavier than O2(oxygen)? 03 should sink to the ground, not hover overhead as a protective layer! Also O3 is found in higher concentrations near the equator than at the poles because it's heavier, remember, air behaves as a fluid and the earth spins so centrifugal forces are at play here.

That explains your ozone hole at the poles, no need to worry anymore; so turn off the TV & read some books for a change.

Well it has to do w/ the fact that it forms up in the stratosphere.

High levels of short wave radiation break apart oxygen molecules (O2) into 2 oxygen atoms. Since oxygen isn't stable alone, it will recombine. Sometimes it recombines w/ two other oxygen atoms to form O3 (ozone).

Ozone can form in the troposphere by exposing fossil fuels to solar radiation. You know, like pumping gas on a hot summer afternoon. Surface ozone is dangerous. Ozone is toxic to humans. Much less gets formed down here b/c we are much more protected from the high levels of short wave solar radiation.

Ozone is created at all heights in the atmosphere. Ozone at ground level is formed by electronics and heat from cars (predominantly) and forms smog. Ozone at ground level is bad. Ozone is also formed in the upper atmosphere though absorption of UV light. It is formed in the upper atmosphere and kept there through the pressure differential that exists (higher air pressures below holding it up). Ozone is also very reactive, so generally is lives and dies in the upper atmosphere when formed there.

And just because something has such low percentage doesn't mean it has an affect.
For example the sun is making billion of billions of rays of light, now if every single Gillatones of Co2 is refletching that heat back into our atmosphere Traping it, it will make an effect.

I found your statement about TV rude to be honest, i read as much as a watch.

Air does behave as a fluid but do not forget dencity.
E.G Oil will float above water.
if you mix it in it will go up again.

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O3 is a bent, polar molecule.
It may be able to make a net or web of O3 molecules and create buoyancy and float like an iron ship on water.
I'm no scientist but this is just my theory of why O3 may be the outermost layer.
This may explain why it's so fragile too.


Am I saying that there is a big layer of it? No. Do I believe there can't be one? No.

O3 is a bent, polar molecule.
It may be able to make a net or web of O3 molecules and create buoyancy and float like an iron ship on water.
I'm no scientist but this is just my theory of why O3 may be the outermost layer.
This may explain why it's so fragile too.


Am I saying that there is a big layer of it? No. Do I believe there can't be one? No.

This is a Educated guess but, i believe its that shaped based on the fact O3 shares electrons and in that shape it would be able to share them easier.
and its super reactive, thats why spray paints and what not are anoying because the gases react with Ozone to create florine.
and some other gases and whatnot.

Yes Ozone is made at all levels and we don't want too much of it but too much is the only way the "hole" at the poles will ever close up completely.

I found your statement about TV rude to be honest, i read as much as a watch.

Sorry for being rude.

Few people ever look into things beyond what they see and hear on Discovery channel (I don't know your source) or television in general, I assumed you to be one of them.

I do watch alot of natural educative Tv, but i do not have sky, if im interested in something i will google about it and read on, and normaly when it is to do with Science i read up,
just a general fail from my school physics teacher that got me Angry,
She totaly dismissed the fact that nuclear fusion plants don't use cold fusion, and for awhile she forced it into my head that they don't ooh what? when we had a lesson on it and she had to google it herself she shutup, funny that.
my Physics teacher pee's me off half the time lol.
Rant off lol.

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This is a Educated guess but, i believe its that shaped based on the fact O3 shares electrons and in that shape it would be able to share them easier.

Educated guess? Which statement was? My theory or the shape of the molecule?

This is a Educated guess but, i believe its that shaped based on the fact O3 shares electrons and in that shape it would be able to share them easier.

Educated guess? Which statement was? My theory or the shape of the molecule?

Shape of the molecule + maybe a bit of your theory.

just a general fail from my school physics teacher that got me Angry,
She totaly dismissed the fact that nuclear fusion plants don't use cold fusion, and for awhile she forced it into my head that they don't ooh what? when we had a lesson on it and she had to google it herself she shutup, funny that.

Great point and a lesson to be learned for all.

I love seeing regular folks saying that they know more than scientist.
Its like all these scientist are involved in a conspiracy of disinformation to trick us into believe Global Warming.

I'm so sick of seeing people thinking they know more than scientist.

Though i am not a scientist myself and therefor cannot have a valid argument, the scientist i look at and admire such as David Sezuki, Carl Sagn (R.I.P) who warned us about global warming 30 years ago, Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins, and so on have expressed concern about global warming.
Now i dont know whether or not they are right, but seeing as that they are scientist i will go with them
Also if you have ever looked at the scientist that say Global warming is a lie, they are all paid by exxon mobile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ming_consensus
first two on wiki

lol Timothy F. Ball is a obvious exxonmobil puppet, they gave his organization so much money its not even funny
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/org...eet.php?id=112

Robert M. Carter, LMAO again, exxon gave him money to conduct "studies" on global warming....
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environ...tists-46011008

Man, do you want me to go on, i have done my research on these scientist who "oppose" global warming, they are all puppets, end of the story.



I ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE EARTH GOES THROUGH CLIMATE CHANGE ALL THE TIME, BUT SEEING THAT IM NOT QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS MAN MADE CHANGE OR NATURAL, ILL GO WITH THOSE WHO ARE QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE.

"Leaders" mislead all the time to achieve personal agendas.

A scientist paid by Exxon may have a conflict of interest as would a scientist from the UN.

I suppose if you aren't going to look into it yourself then you may as well look into who is giving you the data.

All I know is that scientist are just men and men are not perfect.

"Leaders" mislead all the time to achieve personal agendas.

A scientist paid by Exxon may have a conflict of interest as would a scientist from the UN.

I suppose if you aren't going to look into it yourself then you may as well look into who is giving you the data.

All I know is that scientist are just men and men are not perfect.

Actually i do look into a little.
I also heard of the recent discovery of the faked data which i cant find the article to.

But me personally, i just havent come across anything conclusive against global warming or toward it!
Its one of those topics that you dont know what to think.

One thing that makes me thing global warming is 100% real is the fact that fox noise tries every day to "prove" global warming fake.
I have learned to think the opposite of what fox news says or as a matter of fact any other media like MSNBC and CNN ect, because there is always corporate interest behind every line.


What do you think about the whole global warming controversy que?

IDK if you remember que, but in the old Global Warming thread i was exclusively close minded to global warming being true, but the more research i did, the more i read who would interest more from global warming, the more i realized that both sides are f**k up and its impossible in my opinion to know which is true.
Because if you done your homework, from both sides massive amounts of profits are made and both are backed up by different corporations

I also heard of the recent discovery of the faked data which i cant find the article to.

Here's one of many: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/sto ... id=2292746 "The American and British scientists who control much of the UN's climate reporting through the IPCC have been caught manipulating the temperature records to make the 20th century appear warmer than it was (and preceding centuries cooler), leaving an exaggerated impression about how unique and dangerous our current climate is."

But me personally, i just havent come across anything conclusive against global warming or toward it!

Where have you been? It's been all over the news; it snowed in San Antonio last week c'mon! Read this:Record breaking snowfall in New York and New Jersey http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/1 ... 24115.html

One thing that makes me thing global warming is 100% real is the fact that fox noise tries every day to "prove" global warming fake.

Someone has to.

I have learned to think the opposite of what fox news says or as a matter of fact any other media like MSNBC and CNN ect, because there is always corporate interest behind every line.

Not always and besides you should make your own judgment from your own research anyways.

if you done your homework, from both sides massive amounts of profits are made and both are backed up by different corporations

There are always opportunities to make money. You just have to know the right people and be at the right place to take advantage.

I do make my own judgment, but i just honestly dont know what to think about global warming.
Its just that scientist that i admire so much such as Carl Sagan, Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkin, Michio Kaku have all expressed concern on the issue, and to just ignore such decorated scientist who are all PH.D and involved in the world of science is quiet an ignorant thing to do.
But who knows, maybe they are misinformed as well!

Its just that recently evidence has been showed increasingly against global warming, which makes me more of an skeptic, but as i said again i really dont know what to think.
This may be because i have not done enough research

Sagan has been dead for a while, Hawkings does quantum theory not planets and Kaku is gay.

I used to buy into the global warming bit. Then I noticed that the weather was no longer as hot as it was being described. I believe there WAS global warming but it has past and the temperatures have been gradually falling since. How else do you explain the record cold and snow?

FarQ, I remember you making a post from the 70s about a coming Ice Age. What happened to you?