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Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:43 am**

ace_012 wrote:Okay yea that was off topic, but if it's really needed we can make a thread about insurance as well and split the posts.

DO IT!

I'm all for it.

Most of us are barely old enough to drive or even able to afford a car thus car insurance or insurance of any type.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:29 am**

que13x wrote:
ace_012 wrote:Okay yea that was off topic, but if it's really needed we can make a thread about insurance as well and split the posts.

Most of us are barely old enough to drive or even able to afford a car thus car insurance or insurance of any type.

Yea that's why I figured it wouldn't get that many replies lol, but I'll split them if yah insist.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:58 am**

LOL i have stories lol . =D

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:19 am**

Thought id chime in for the heck of it.

Im no fan of politics. its politics that made this mess, and its politics that make it worse.

all i know about this is, is a communist move (social ita, same freakin thing). soon theyll be saying we will be payed the same. tell me that isnt Communism. tell my russia isnt still in a massive depression because of it.

i say we remove EVERYONE in office. and start over. we know who the crooks, thieves, bastards, liars, and otherwise harmful people are. we run background checks and no shady inside character will "let something slip" like obama being a legal citizen, which is crap.

have we not learned? have we not seen our mistakes?
im gonna go back to The first pres, George Washington. what did he say political parties would do? tear the nation apart. that happened once. he was right. we didnt learn

and look at the hate brought up because of PARTIES. im not saying that i love ALL republicans or that i side with them more because they are republicans. i side with them cuz they are one of 2 NOTICED parties and have SOME views i like more. im not saying i HATE ALL democrats (democrats are for DEMOCRACY, right? cuz they have yet to show it), in fact, FDR was my favorite president. he pulled us outta the depression and had some very moving speeches. most presidents that sucked, however, were democrats. Bill clinton and obama being the recent. have we learned from our mistakes? no.

we havent learned from our mistakes, and im sure we arent going to learn from this one.

please correct me, CIVILLY. im sure that there are things i dont understand, but im speaking my mind here

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:34 pm**

crait wrote:Bankrupt us? How is getting less involved in the war going to not save money?
Also, I know what you mean by it's a privilage to drive but why should we be forced to buy something from a third party? That's like the government forcing us to buy a meal from McDonald's a week.
I think that the government should be required to offer government-run car insurance, too.
@Que: Are you sure that's how it works?

Involvement in wars actually boosts our economy. WW1 and WW2 helped us tremendously. Il go as far as saying we would be in a much much much worse now if those wars didnt happen. Now though, theres nothing we can do when you see "Made in China" everywhere.

Further, this war is keeping millions employed. Where do you think all the soldiers are gonna work when they get home when we cant even support the people already here.

Driving a car and needing food are two totally separate things. You can go without driving a car. Its called walking. Can you get by without food? No.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:18 pm**

BKFraiders7 wrote:Involvement in wars actually boosts our economy. WW1 and WW2 helped us tremendously. Il go as far as saying we would be in a much much much worse now if those wars didnt happen. Now though, theres nothing we can do when you see "Made in China" everywhere.

Further, this war is keeping millions employed. Where do you think all the soldiers are gonna work when they get home when we cant even support the people already here.

Great. They got to you too.

The reason everything says "MADE IN CHINA" is because all we do is export war, nothing else. War is the fastest way to get a nation into debt because of all the TRILLIONS that it costs to feed, transport and maintain an army overseas, to say nothing of reconstruction and support. There aren't enough support positions open to maintain a country of 300million and if there were it would just get outsourced to a people that work for next to nothing. Unjustified War benefits only those that are in a position to profit such as those with military interests no one else.

There has to be a better way for a nation to do business.

Dwight Eisenhower former president and general warned of the military industrial complex. That is what we have and it's worse than you think.

airplanes18 wrote:please correct me, CIVILLY.

I'll try.

airplanes18 wrote:all i know about this is, is a communist move (social ita, same freakin thing). soon theyll be saying we will be payed the same.

Communism is a social structure in which (social)classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled (usually by the state). If anything the healthcare mandate is socialist. Socialism isn't anything new to America. Public schools are socialist, Public transportation & roads are socialist etc.

airplanes18 wrote:tell me that isn't Communism. tell my Russia isn't still in a massive depression because of it.

They are not. If communism was that bad (I don't want it) Cuba and China would not be communist today. The reason Russia collapsed was because in the late 80s oil prices dropped to almost nothing and Russia could no longer afford to keep up it's military since it made (and still makes) its income from petroleum sales. Without enough of a budget to run the military the government soon followed. Today the problem in Russia is widespread corruption. Of course there isn't going to be enough to go around if people keep stealing it.

airplanes18 wrote:i say we remove EVERYONE in office. and start over. we know who the crooks, thieves, bastards, liars, and otherwise harmful people are.

I agree with you completely here. WE have too many career politicians. Unfortunately try getting them to give up their power.

I say we as citizens call for the removal of all congressional pension plans. That way people won't expect to be taken care of for life after putting in a meager 4 years of public service or whatever it is.

airplanes18 wrote:most presidents that sucked, however, were democrats. Bill clinton and obama being the recent. have we learned from our mistakes? no.

Kennedy (Democrat)Wanted to avoid the Vietnam war. Was that not a good thing?

Bill Clinton had our country on the path to eliminate all our debt. For some reason DEBT is of a big concern now but it wasn't so much when we were banging the drums of war. America sank TRILLIONS into Iraq and it's people to rebuild hospitals over there and now that we have a president investing in America and it's people there is backlash.

I swear the world is upside down sometimes.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:26 pm**

+1 rep. why dont you post like that more often?

starting fresh is always the best option. think of computers. they get cluttered and a mess, so if we wiped the slate, (wipe the HDD) you start over, and it runs nicely again for a long time.

not that any of our ideas will ever be read, much less happen. so much for the voice of the people

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:23 pm**

@Que- I cant tell if your agreeing with me or against me with that statement?

Mostly because I said I dont like how everything is Made in China and would like jobs here...and you said the reason everythings made in China is because there are no jobs here. (?) Your right, there is a better way for America to do business and that way is more jobs here.

Also, I agree only making money from OTHER peoples wars is a scary thing. No war=No profit then.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:39 pm**

ace_012 wrote:Not trying to go off topic, but I completely agree with buying Car Insurance. Have you ever totaled your car in an accident with someone who didn't have insurance? Yea...not a good thing. Actually pisses me off when you get in a wreck with someone that doesn't have insurance and it's their fault. Don't want to buy car insurance? Don't drive. Personally I don't see why you would want to not have car insurance, with all of the wrecks out there that "aren't your fault" why would you even risk not driving without insurance?

Okay yea that was off topic, but if it's really needed we can make a thread about insurance as well and split the posts.

I'm saying the government shouldn't force us to pay a third party. Especially for something most people need. It prevents trusts and it gives everyone an option that can be applied in any states so there's no geological locations with certain offers that others won't have. (That will also help prevent minorities from getting the short end of the stick.)

airplanes18 wrote:Thought id chime in for the heck of it.

Im no fan of politics. its politics that made this mess, and its politics that make it worse.

all i know about this is, is a communist move (social ita, same freakin thing). soon theyll be saying we will be payed the same. tell me that isnt Communism. tell my russia isnt still in a massive depression because of it.

i say we remove EVERYONE in office. and start over. we know who the crooks, thieves, bastards, liars, and otherwise harmful people are. we run background checks and no shady inside character will "let something slip" like obama being a legal citizen, which is crap.

have we not learned? have we not seen our mistakes?
im gonna go back to The first pres, George Washington. what did he say political parties would do? tear the nation apart. that happened once. he was right. we didnt learn

and look at the hate brought up because of PARTIES. im not saying that i love ALL republicans or that i side with them more because they are republicans. i side with them cuz they are one of 2 NOTICED parties and have SOME views i like more. im not saying i HATE ALL democrats (democrats are for DEMOCRACY, right? cuz they have yet to show it), in fact, FDR was my favorite president. he pulled us outta the depression and had some very moving speeches. most presidents that sucked, however, were democrats. Bill clinton and obama being the recent. have we learned from our mistakes? no.

we havent learned from our mistakes, and im sure we arent going to learn from this one.

please correct me, CIVILLY. im sure that there are things i dont understand, but im speaking my mind here

This is so full of fail that it's unreadable.
Democrats are not for democracy. Replublicans are not for republics.
If you side yourself on either the Democratic side or Republican side, then you're retarded. Make up your own views instead of following a group. It's called 'group think' and that factually makes a group less productive. McCain and Obama both had many, many of the same views, anyways.
And the government, even if they required everyone to get this health care which won't happen, is not going to fix our income. It's impossible.

BKFraiders7 wrote:
crait wrote:Bankrupt us? How is getting less involved in the war going to not save money?
Also, I know what you mean by it's a privilage to drive but why should we be forced to buy something from a third party? That's like the government forcing us to buy a meal from McDonald's a week.
I think that the government should be required to offer government-run car insurance, too.
@Que: Are you sure that's how it works?

Involvement in wars actually boosts our economy. WW1 and WW2 helped us tremendously. Il go as far as saying we would be in a much much much worse now if those wars didnt happen. Now though, theres nothing we can do when you see "Made in China" everywhere.

Further, this war is keeping millions employed. Where do you think all the soldiers are gonna work when they get home when we cant even support the people already here.

I understand where you're coming from because it actually does pump a lot of that money into our economy. But think of it this way, for every dollar that isn't going towards the military, it could be going to civilians that are in America for things like highway construction or education. Yes, that same dollar would be spent and would still go into our economy's free-flowing money system. It would still create jobs whether or not we are paying to kill someone or paying to fix our highways.
If that's all we were doing, then great! But, the major difference between this war and the ones in the past is that we actually are paying money for resources that we won't be receiving! We're paying to fix things that in the past, the enemy would usually be responsible for but since our enemy is not a government, civilians aren't getting the help they need! We're fixing the problems we caused, unlike in the past. So, we are loosing possible GPD revenue!
I'm all for helping out others, but when it's a major restoration of things that we destroy and problems we cause that is preventable, then I will not support it.

BKFraiders7 wrote:Driving a car and needing food are two totally separate things. You can go without driving a car. Its called walking. Can you get by without food? No.

What about people who have to drive for their jobs? They use their income for food so to some, it is just as important as the food itself. This can be applied to some who have a huge commute or actually use their cars within their jobs like pizza deliverers.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:53 pm**

This is what im saying Crait- You dont HAVE to have a car. There are bikes for example that you dont have to pay insurance on. If you dont want to pay this, then dont drive and ride the bike. Dont give excuses like going to work, because that was your choice that you picked that job that far away. It didnt make you get it.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:32 pm**

Yes, some people do have to have a car. How can someone drive a delivery car for a job without required insurance?

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:33 pm**

company pays it crait. my friend drives pizza

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:44 pm**

But still, there are countless other jobs that require car insurance and I'm sure not every company will be willing to do that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:16 pm**

crait wrote:Yes, some people do have to have a car. How can someone drive a delivery car for a job without required insurance?

Delivering what? Paper. There used to be a paperboy. Milk? Remember the milk man. Pizza? Yep, some used to ride bikes for that too.

Posted: **Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:47 pm**

What about garbage men? You gonna say to dig our own holes to bury the trash?
What about truck drivers? You gonna say to use trains instead?
What about dog catchers? Carry the dogs to the pound?
What about school bus drivers? The kids have to walk?
What about fire fighters? Carry the water hoses?
News reporters? Go by foot?
Police? Run?

Looks like we'd be going backwards in society.

Anything that we're required to pay for should be offered by the government but we shouldn't be required to get it from them.
We shouldn't be required to pay third party companies whatsoever. No matter what the circumstance.

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