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Israel and FreedomFlotilla

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:29 am
by The Cookie Monster
Damn those Israeli B**tards... The Israelis say that the people came with knives and axes.... knives and axes? then Israel sends their TOP commandos, and 19 people (not Israeli) get killed! WTF??? Commandos can't get people with knives and axes without killing them?? I'm pissed of because I'm a Muslim, and those ships were going to Gaza for aid.... And also because I'm a Pakistani and a (very good) Pakistani Journalist is announced dead... His name was Talat Hussain... The British, Turkish, and Greek governments are pissed as well....

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 7:39 am
by TheTyler0013
sorry but this whole Muslim, Israeli who is better thing is really getting annoying. i am sick of all this crap. its been going on for 2000 plus years and wont stop. just getting old. you all do something and think its righteous they do something thinking itd just as righteous, who knows anymore. None of you are better than the other.

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:07 am
by The Cookie Monster
go read the news Tyler.... Activists were going on a ship, from different countries like the US, UK, Turkey, Greece, Pakistan, they were carrying aid for Gaza... Suddenly commandos got down from helicopters and at least 15 people were killed.... Anarka (Turkey) has said that their will be aid going from turkey to Gaza, this time accompanied by the turkish Navy....

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:17 pm
by TheTyler0013
lol I hate news and politics of any country. even mine all governments are curropt. so yeah

Israeli Conquests 101

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:07 pm
by que13x
TheTyler0013 wrote:sorry but this whole Muslim, Israeli who is better thing is really getting annoying. i am sick of all this crap. its been going on for 2000 plus years and wont stop. just getting old. you all do something and think its righteous they do something thinking itd just as righteous, who knows anymore. None of you are better than the other.

Well I just want to point out a few things if I may.

2000 years ago Palestine(modern day Israel) was being conquered by Rome. 300 years later it was Christian pilgrims. Then it was the Persians (I don't know their interest in the land) then Arabs for roughly 1300 years. During that time it was back and forth between Christians and Arabs(not "Jews") fighting for access to the "Holy Land". This is the period of the crusades. Watch this movie for details

By the 1500s the Ottoman Turks had come and taken the land from the Arabs and they pretty much dominated until the end of WWI.

A minority of so called "Jews" helped Britain fight back the Turks and so this led to the 1917 Balfour declaration being sent to London. The letter was written by British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour and addressed to Lord Rothschild in which the British made public their support of a Jewish homeland in Palestine for the hand full of "Jews" that helped fight the Turks during WWI.

In 1919 the demographics in Palestine looked like this:
Non Jew______Jew________%toJew_____Total
500,000 -----65,000 --------87/13------ 565,000

Only 13% of the population was Jewish at the time. This would mean that the 87% majority Arab would have to give up some land. Of course this would not have been popular with the Arabs or the rest of the world. In 1919 anyone could care less for the plight of the "Jews".

Enter Adolph Hitler.

We know what he is famous for. What we don't know is who supported him to rise to power. Hitler had assistance from some very powerful people that lead back to England and believe it or not America. Read about that here.

By the end of WWII the atrocities committed by the NAZIs under Hitler were no longer secret and a horrified world swayed their sympathy in favor of the Palestinian Jewish minority.

Palestine in 1945
Non Jew_________Jew_____%toJew_____Total
1,295,000 -------564,000----- 70/30---- 1,859,000

By 1948 the U.N. opened a bible(to establish borders) and handed over 56% of the land to only 32% of the population. I don't know how many rightful land owners were displaced in the partitioning but you can bet they weren't happy.

So you see the 2000 years of fighting that you mentioned really only account for 62 years or so as the Palestinians really had no gripe with the Jews until 1948.

Hopefully you read everything to this point and now you are better informed.

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 6:38 pm
by AdventWolf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBVW6Rcn ... _embedded#!

edit: alright now I can talk, by the looks of this video it gives a VERY different observation of what the media has broadcast "innocent unarmed civilians being murdered by armed dirty rotten soldiers in cold blood." - Or whatever stupid exaggerations have been named.

But that's just a video on youtube so who knows.

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:02 pm
by que13x
I can't see the vid but I heard an Israeli ambassador say that the soldiers were armed with paintball guns and only carried a side arm "just in case".

You don't board a ship with paintball guns.

Also from what I understand, (can't see the vid) the people onboard had no firearms at all. You don't go against a boarding party armed with guns with sharp metal. It's just plain dumb.

Oh and lastly the vessel was in INTERNATIONAL water. I wonder what if anything the U.N. security council will do or say about that.

Maybe I will get to see the vid sometime and then we will see how bad my sources are after all.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:31 am
by The Cookie Monster
Reported World Reactions From BBC
Oh, and according to this Turkey is pretty pissed because one of their MPs was killed as well...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:06 am
by Puncharger
que13x wrote:I can't see the vid but I heard an Israeli ambassador say that the soldiers were armed with paintball guns and only carried a side arm "just in case".

You don't board a ship with paintball guns.

Also from what I understand, (can't see the vid) the people onboard had no firearms at all. You don't go against a boarding party armed with guns with sharp metal. It's just plain dumb.

Oh and lastly the vessel was in INTERNATIONAL water. I wonder what if anything the U.N. security council will do or say about that.

Maybe I will get to see the vid sometime and then we will see how bad my sources are after all.


Sorry to go off topic here.. But I can no longer take Que seriously with that avatar.. lmao.

Please Continue*

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:47 am
by que13x
"One marine told reporters his squad went in with anti-riot paintball guns but, fearing for their lives, some resorted to using live pistols, while others jumped overboard. In military footage, a commando fired a paintball at a man who seemed to be clubbing an Israeli."

From: http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-48927020100531

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:19 am
by AdventWolf
Here I uploaded the video to megaupload for ya - DOWNLOAD

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:34 am
by que13x
Ok, saw the vid.

I did see the paintball guns and the commandos getting schooled on how NOT to board a vessel.

Like I said the ship was in international water I don't understand why it was boarded in the first place. It's like having the IRS raid your house and you fight back with whatever you have as far as I can tell.

I dunno.

Am I messed up?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:50 am
by The Cookie Monster
Yeah... If the world and Turkey went against Israel for being a sissy and sending commandos with paintball guns, their defense minister would be saying "When Israeli commandos went into the ship and then they were ambushed and all of their guns were taken, luckily they were skilled enough to attack.. then they found a chest full of paintball guns and showed resistance with that..." Thats how ridiculous they are, all they know is how to talk sh*t...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:15 am
by brentbizzle
Is it f**ked up? Yes.
Do I care? Not really.

Pakistan doesn't do sh*t to curb any kind of terrorism. There have been tons of people trying to kill the Jews throughout history. If they can't play nice, let them exterminate themselves.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:20 am
by que13x
brentbizzle wrote: There have been tons of people trying to kill the Jews throughout history.
Not as many as you have been lead to believe. Please review my "Israeli Conquest 101" post.