Tolerance thread

This thing about a negro Spiderman and the black Cinderella or whatever made me think of tolerance and all this recent attention on gays in the military and gay rights in general and why we should tolerate them.

I don't really want to make this the gay right or wrong thread. I want to focus on the mental aspect of being gay, I think that is something that has been overlooked in past threads on the topic.

It seems to me that being gay is a mental disorder kind of like manic depression or schizophrenia.

To me gays have an overwhelming sexual compulsion and attraction for the same sex or a strong desire to conduct themselves in a manner opposite to their own gender.

Homosexuality is a sexual disorder that is no different than Pedophilia or Bestiality, to name two. BUT where pedophiles and beast lovers are utterly shunned by society in general, gays are receiving more and more acceptance.

Heterosexuals are often shunned for displaying strong sexual compulsions. It's the reason you aren't cool for bringing a nudy mag to school, work or church or why you don't see hard core sex movies on regular television (I don't think you can PPV them either) and It generally isn't cool to go into explicit details on your sexual activities if you are hetero.

I think being gay should be treated the same way. It's should be kept personal or acknowledged as a legitimate disorder (like wanking it daily and frequently or alcoholism) rather than accepted as a fact of life.

Sex addicts, drug addicts, gambling addicts etc. all have an option to go in for treatment. If you can't stay faithful to one woman you may have a mental issue and need counseling but if you are gay you need more rights?

Que I cannot agree with you more.

Why is there so much tolerance with being gay? What is different between you and me? Why do you get special treatment?

As you said with Pedo's and Beast lovers. what is the difference. Why are gays in such high regard and not them? What if all 3 of them are common with medical chemical imbalance? That can be cured with medicine. I think--lie with religion--shun one group shun them all, allow one group allow them all. Our society is picky with what is in with controversy, the most controversial topic always is on top and being thrown at our own. Trying to force us to accept or tolerate.

And with the hetero's not being able to show as much sexual want as the gays is offensive to me. If they can be open about being sexual why not us? Look at broke back mountain it was a very sexual movie. that got Oscars for bravery and crap like that. and ppl said it was just romantic and art. Straight ppl do it and its considered damn near porn




Love how no one want to touch this topic. lol

I could care less about race/gender/sexual orientation, I don't discriminate against anyone.

I could care less about race/gender/sexual orientation, I don't discriminate against anyone.

That is good but this isn't the point I want to bring forward.

I think "gays" have mental issues and that is why they are that way.

Homosexuality is a form of psychosis and should be kept personal or treated. Do you agree? If not why.

I believe homosexuality occurs naturally when a society has enough people, sort of a kind of natural population control

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Homosexuality used to actually be considered a mental disorder and people were put in asylums for it.
I think it's wrong and unethical but there's a lot of people who do it and it doesn't interfere with my life so I know it's unethical for me to try to change or discriminate against them.
I will say, however, there are a lot of people who are not homosexual who say that they are just to get attention. Most of these kinds of people are emo or have actual mental conditions.

I could care less about race/gender/sexual orientation, I don't discriminate against anyone.

I'm the very opposite, i disciminate against everyone to make sure no one feels left out.. lol

I dont agree. Lumping in homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality makes it seem like homosexuality is ALL ABOUT SEX. Its not. Its the same thing as being straight just with opposite gender. Another reason thats a bad comparison is that victims of pedophilia and bestiality don't have the mental capacity to decide whether something is ok or not. A 5 year old does not know what sex is, they cant make an informed decision on it yay or nay. Animals are creatures that cant make informed decisions about sex with the human race... 99% of the time anyway : / what with all the dolphins trying to rape people.

Anyway. Two men or two women are making the informed and conscious decision to be with each other. They have sex sure but its not like its a social disorder where they forsake all of humanity for compulsive masturbation. They are just like you and me. Its not wrong. Its not evil. Its not perverted.

I dont agree. Lumping in homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality makes it seem like homosexuality is ALL ABOUT SEX. Its not. Its the same thing as being straight just with opposite gender. Another reason thats a bad comparison is that victims of pedophilia and bestiality don't have the mental capacity to decide whether something is ok or not. A 5 year old does not know what sex is, they cant make an informed decision on it yay or nay. Animals are creatures that cant make informed decisions about sex with the human race... 99% of the time anyway : / what with all the dolphins trying to rape people.

Anyway. Two men or two women are making the informed and conscious decision to be with each other. They have sex sure but its not like its a social disorder where they forsake all of humanity for compulsive masturbation. They are just like you and me. Its not wrong. Its not evil. Its not perverted.

Then its choice. according to your statement.

@ Alistor,

Of course it's all about SEX! Check the parades.
Manchester, England


London, England
England is not known for it's hot climate, why are many of the participants barely dressed?
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There is no such thing as a "Hetero Day Parade" or "Hetero Pride". Have you seen the conduct and the attire at "gay" parades? Sex is the theme why else are there so many people showing so much flesh or dressed as whores?

I would like to fall back to the part again about keeping your feelings private. I mean in some places it is in appropriate for heteros to display strong affection toward their mates such as "heavy petting" in public. Why make exceptions for some and not others?

Did you know that if you are 21 and sleep with a 17 year old in many places you can be convicted of statutory rape and labeled as a sexual predator? It doesn't matter if the act was consensual or not.

As for bestiality I am not an advocate but “mutually satisfying activities” could occur without involving cruelty to the animal. so if it's mutually satisfying then there is your consent.

Anyhow I find it all disturbing and feel there is something more here than just affection toward another being. Let's just call it what it is and treat it like the illness that it is.

There is no such thing as a "Hetero Day Parade" or "Hetero Pride". Have you seen the conduct and the attire at "gay" parades? Sex is the theme why else are there so many people showing so much flesh or dressed as whores?

They are having FUN. They celebrating who they ARE. You don't see gay christmas either. Sure they are showing skin. but I haven't seen these gay orgies your referring to. and just because the media is trying to appeal to a NEW demographic doesn't mean their entire lifestyle is sex oriented. I mean if your look at the ads for heterosexuals they are just as smutty if not more. I really hope your not basing your views on people purely on advertising that'd be quite ignorant.

I would like to fall back to the part again about keeping your feelings private. I mean in some places it is in appropriate for heteros to display strong affection toward their mates such as "heavy petting" in public. Why make exceptions for some and not others?

Once again where are the "gays" heavy petting? I haven't seen them. I frequent alot of clubs even. A couple gay ones too if you have to know. which I don't really think you do. Even in these places the atmosphere is just like any other club. Know what I do see? average human beings with different sexual preference. THATS IT. Ohhh man a man and another man kissing. Thats pretty damn offensive.

Did you know that if you are 21 and sleep with a 17 year old in many places you can be convicted of statutory rape and labeled as a sexual predator? It doesn't matter if the act was consensual or not.

Why would you even bring this up? The law is there as a cut off point. It had to stop somewhere 18 being the logical place because that's when your legally allowed to make real decisions. Clearly I was speaking of young children. kids who know no better than to trust the authority figure that's supposed to protect them. Like a priest.

As for bestiality I am not an advocate but “mutually satisfying activities” could occur without involving cruelty to the animal. so if it's mutually satisfying then there is your consent.

Well that WOULD be just about sex then wouldn't it? You can't build a healthy relationship with an animal. You can however build a loving relationship with another human being. Same gender as you or otherwise.

Anyhow I find it all disturbing and feel there is something more here than just affection toward another being. Let's just call it what it is and treat it like the illness that it is.

What you FEEL que is irrelevant. Its how THEY feel that matters. Its Not an illness and maybe it IS a choice but its not yours or anyone else's to make. You can't cure or fix what isn't broken. Like a person who uses a clock for decoration even though it doesn't tell time. Its theirs they can do what they want with it.

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I would like to fall back to the part again about keeping your feelings private.

Great! So, you agree that this thread should be closed.

I would like to fall back to the part again about keeping your feelings private.

Great! So, you agree that this thread should be closed.

If you want the thread closed then appeal to the staff otherwise, don't participate.

@ Alistor:

I will quickly summarize responses in order to save time and space.

I have seen the public "gay orgies" as you like to call them and I am sure you have too. The toned down pictures I posted are proof enough, I'm not going to dig up Youtube videos to support my case further. I never thought that dressing up as the opposite gender and going out in public was fun either but to each his own I guess. If the behavior just stopped there it would just be classified as "weird" but it doesn't just stop there and I think you know that.

I brought up the statutory rape example because it was stated that homosexuality is different from bestiality and pedophilia because consent is given. It's an example of consensual sex that is still against common law.

Relationships with animals don't have to be sexual. Seeing eye dogs have relationships with people that I suspect aren't sexual.

What I feel is very relevant. Laws exist because of feelings. Think of seatbelts or helmet laws, the drinking age etc.

What it's turning into is that homosexuality is becoming the next civil rights issue. It should not be that. No one deserves extra rights to support their fetishes.

Oh and lastly, the lifestyle is completely about sex.

Why do they call it homoSEXuality if it isn't about sex?

No que I haven't. I have yet to view a single gay orgy. i have been to gay parades and festivals with my friends. they still have popcorn and freaking cotton candy. I dont know whats up in the uk but I know here In Cincinnati Sex orgies of any kind in public are not tolerated. And even if they were tolerated I 'm sure most gay people wouldn't want to participate.

You are forgetting why that law exists. It exists to protect teenagers and young children from being manipulated by someone with more power than them.

when you were talking about "mutually satisfying activities" did you think I was referring to a pirate and his damn parrot? no. you can have a relationship with your pet but you can't expect a sexual "true love and all that other bs" to be healthy mentally or physically for them or the animal. Your pet cannot be a significant other. You simply cannot compare homosexuality with bestiality or pedophilia. They are simply not the same.

Laws should not be based on how people feel. there are some like gay marriage which are utter nonsense. Seat belt laws, helmet laws and drinking age laws are NOT based on feelings. they are based on safety and prevention. Seeing as how no homosexuals have put my life in danger based on their sexual orientation I dont see why they cant have sex with who they want to legally.

are all heteroSEXusual relationships just about SEX que? No. If I went and had sex with ten different girls I'd be getting props left and right. Just one guy and everyone loses their minds! Its ridiculous. i have a loving relationship with my girlfriend. Its not all about sex, sure we HAVE sex. I dont know why two people of the same gender couldn't do the same if its how they feel.

What are you so afraid of? why does it bother you so much? you are comfortable with your own sexuality are you not? If a gay man hits on you there is no reason you cant just tell the man no. It doesn't make you any less of a person.

Just a question, (yes I am aware of the answers I'm going to get), Why do we care? Seriously, I agree with Que, but Its not up to us to judge them, If its wrong they'll get Punished by God... for Atheists - Its up to the guy who's in power, sure they might be wrong, But the leader of the country/place is going to decide, after all, arguing, and arguing is not going to take us anywhere...