VTEC Just kicked in yo!

people are always blaming video games, I mean if you think about its all over THE WORLD.

You can't run from it.

33 were dead btw.

yeah, check the first post.

yea. jack thompson is a failure and a joke. he has no chance of EVER making a difference. "uh uh uh my uh... yea my brilliant science super friends team says video games are a breeding ground for uh... murder, sex, and anarchy"

hell we could blame elmo in alphabet land for accidently spelling donkey. retarted example, yes, but its the way some people are. it makes me wonder if classic newspapers got slammed for "melting ones mind".

[DarkPacMan77]

I think things like this are tragic, and perhaps unexplainable, but at the same time, I just don't know what to make of it. I honestly think that it would be hypocritical if I were to express what I feel... because see, if my life was not worth living, it would be easy to say that someone would think I'd want to kill myself. Now, if I were to kill myself, I'd think that is a cop out and wouldn't allow myself to do it.

Keeping in mind that I'd think of myself as a cop out... I'd much rather be more inclined to "do something for people to remember me by". Does that mean shooting? - no. I could just as easily get involved in a drug trade or rape or car theft or random acts of arson....... but WHY would I be more inclined to do those things in order to be remembered by instead of being unconditionally nice instead? - because we have developed social constructs (like the media) that only perpetuate and insinuate violence. Violence gets you known - and when you are looking for an outlet, people will be willing to share that with others on television and radio.

After the Columbine shooting, I heard something that really changed my perception about people. We're always thinking that we should do something... that we should intervene and such... and I would argue that doing so is not right. Marilyn Manson, after the Columbine shooting, was asked, "If you could just say one thing to the shooters, what would you say?", and Manson had looked astonished that someone would ask him that question. He replied, "nothing, I'd listen to them". I think that's good, but at the same time, people aren't willing to talk most of the time.

*****my insensitive judgments are below, and only reflect on me personally*****

I see all of these shootings reported on tv, and I just don't understand it. It isn't that I don't understand the gunmen themselves, or their motives (though I don't understand those either), it's that I don't understand why they didn't kill more. I know that with just another week of planning, I could have killed hundreds by myself. I know that if I hated my environment... my life, that much, that I could have brought that school down to the ground - the whole campus. I know that I could have caused so much more destruction, so why don't this person/ these people do so? I don't mean to be too severely insensitive, and I think many of you can reason with me, but I know I could have gone in there and decimated that school, so why didn't the person who actually TRIED get away with it when he had all of that time? It almost makes me mad that these people can't take more lives. More deaths mean more serious penalties and eventually more serious parenting, and I think that's needed. I think acts of school shootings/ violence are miserable, miserable things, don't get me wrong, but 30 people here and 8 there, and 17 more here and a child in kindergarten on the side...... that isn't enough to cause a change. That isn't enough to MATTER to the United States as a whole and I guess I almost get mad because I know I could have made those deaths MEAN something... and by creating more destruction, I would have been able to make people realize more needs to change than just a counselor at a school or medication(s). I could have made those deaths be so numerous that people in Alaska would have cared so much about Virginia that they would have wanted to make a difference in their own community.

I only see more violence in our wake. I only see more death... and that's because nothing, not Columbine, not Virginia Tech, is serious enough for people to sincerely care and that's just the cold hard truth.

-DarkPacMan77-

I only see more violence in our wake. I only see more death-DarkPacMan77-

Where you see violence, I see comedy. Where you see death, I see laughter.

Call me a weirdo if you want, but when I heard 21 dead and the shooter killed himself, I thought that was hillarious.

Not because the people were dead, but because the keiller killed himself, it has happened many times, but nothing like this has been so recent and so funny to me.

I wish I could say I feel something for the families of the people who lost their lives, but I don't and thats the cold truth, I am distraught of all emotion for those people.

Sad, yes. Tragic, yes. Hillarious, yes.

And it's not just me, I know a site where many people feel the same thing about this situation. It's not freaky, it's Schadenfreude.

[DarkPacMan77]

More than that though, it's just cold hard logic. Remember from the movie Saw 2? Perhaps some of you haven't seen the movie, but there is a line where the killer is telling a story of "how people go their whole lives drinking from the glass of water without actually tasting it." That's SADLY what makes me think the way I do.

I think the killer COULD have done more harm and SHOULD have done more harm, even if it means killing police officers, in order to make people actually CARE about this.

-DarkPacMan77-

well bush is gonna speak in like an hour on the situation.

Um, what the hell is Bush gonna say exactly?

"Fellow Americans, um... Some kids got shot today. We think this may possibly be the work of al qaeda and we believe it is cause to send more Americans to Iraq."

LMAO.

LMAO

you sir have won quote of the year.

With a poor economy comes crime.

sadly america is in something i call crisis mode. With many factors pushing us because of the large amount of hate and nervous system dieseases. Things that make kids (Adults too) feel worthless, weird....etc. Not all realize things like depression, Autism, bipoler, Anxiety, etc. are treatable.

and before you flame me (points at Shay)
I do know this is not the only cause.

Lol it is humorus though

DP you're so rational, geeze. I don't agree that we need to see explicit violence to further our education on the subject and help prevent it. Infact you're theory is probably the reason why society sucks so bad, you make it sound as if we must see and learn from the experience at it's fullest extent. News flash bro, sh*t like this has been going on since the dawn of man. We have learned about so many massacres and violence ect in history, but have we really changed at all? Nope, things will not change untill society learns to come together and truly shows appreciation and support for our fellow man.

[DarkPacMan77]

^ that's the other side of the argument that people bring up, and it's very valid. But this is what I think about that.

Violence in general, is not considered a problem unless there is a lot of it (in most cases). The United States had seen terrorist attacks before 9/11 and never went to Afghanistan/ Iraq (at least for that reason). We know that students have brought guns to school and killed classmates/ teachers - but we don't feel the need to take action and spend money for installing metal detectors/ security guards in the majority of our schools. And hey, many people, including myself, would agree that all of that security might actually spawn more violence because it is "expected" - but in general, those things WOULD stop school violence, and do Americans actually care enough to want to equip the majority of schools with sophisticated security measures???? - sadly, the answer is no, and I'd argue that we don't care enough because 33 dead people in Virginia isn't enough of a problem for me (in Michigan) to care about... sad, but true. Now I think that is terrible. I think it is terrible because 33 dead people in Virginia isn't enough for people in California to care - or Maine - Or Texas - or North Dakota.... I mean, people feel bad, but they don't want to put an effort into solving the issue.

NOW... keeping that in mind, don't you think people in California, Maine, Texas, North Dakota - hell, even Michigan would actually CARE MORE about solving the problem if there were 2,000 killed instead? Would that be the final motivation for people to put their heads together and try to end school violence? - yes.

-DarkPacMan77-

^ that's the other side of the argument that people bring up, and it's very valid. But this is what I think about that.

Violence in general, is not considered a problem unless there is a lot of it (in most cases). The United States had seen terrorist attacks before 9/11 and never went to Afghanistan/ Iraq (at least for that reason). We know that students have brought guns to school and killed classmates/ teachers - but we don't feel the need to take action and spend money for installing metal detectors/ security guards in the majority of our schools. And hey, many people, including myself, would agree that all of that security might actually spawn more violence because it is "expected" - but in general, those things WOULD stop school violence, and do Americans actually care enough to want to equip the majority of schools with sophisticated security measures???? - sadly, the answer is no, and I'd argue that we don't care enough because 33 dead people in Virginia isn't enough of a problem for me (in Michigan) to care about... sad, but true. Now I think that is terrible. I think it is terrible because 33 dead people in Virginia isn't enough for people in California to care - or Maine - Or Texas - or North Dakota.... I mean, people feel bad, but they don't want to put an effort into solving the issue.

NOW... keeping that in mind, don't you think people in California, Maine, Texas, North Dakota - hell, even Michigan would actually CARE MORE about solving the problem if there were 2,000 killed instead? Would that be the final motivation for people to put their heads together and try to end school violence? - yes.

-DarkPacMan77-

See thats where you're wrong, we shouldn't have to have 2000 kids killed to provoke us to fix the problem. This problem goes farther then just that, society in general needs to have a second look at it's self. We know things like this are bound to happen yet we have to wait for a tradgedy to occur? We have all this violence happening yet we still take things with a half assed step by step approach. All of this is at the fualt of poor leader ship skills, the government.

[DarkPacMan77]

In a perfect world, I'd think what you are saying seems exactly how things should work. I'd LOVE for us to live in a time when we take the necessary steps to ensure our safety in places like schools etc. but we just don't live in that type of society. It isn't that I'm wrong, or that you're right. I think we are both right with what we are saying. You say we need more leadership to carry out these things, which is true, but also, we won't see someone take up the role of leadership until there is more incidents like this.

What I'm trying to say is that we SHOULD take action, but we just won't because it just isn't a priority for people right now. I think the only way it can become a priority is if there are more deaths, and I'm not sure if I'd want the deaths to be spread out through schools in the United States or just one large act of violence on a school that makes the United States, as a whole, realize what needs to be done.

-DarkPacMan77-

well here is what i think not that it matters much..
ppl are good and bad.
ex.i help a person but in doing so i hurt anouther.

the human race will always be like this.
we do what we feel we must.